[Ghostly_Substance]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ewKOW-G1q_4

Damn Well goes to show you that both Americans and Russians copied off Germany. One being the German Elektraboot (Lack of mass-production failed the U-boat war) with the advanced technology of it and the shape of the U-boat. Next the Americans accepted the German V-1/V-2 Rocket engineer yet didn't use him until Russia went into space first. Russia copying German weapons but I forget which one (AK-47 was based on a German weapon).

Anyways my point is that the Nazi's were advanced in their blueprints but lacked the technology to create it. Look at what they thought of with what they created (even Germany today). You will see the R/C Tank destroying bomb which was expensive to keep funding. Germany creating V2 rockets which had the ability to go into space but not properly understood. The Tiger tank which had to be beat by sheer numbers like the Sherman tanks and the Russian T Tanks. Germany created an aircraft carrier but Hitler sunk it >.<

Thoughts?

[Stargazer]

they all weren't Nazi's, you know?

and yea, their technology was pretty amazing for the time.

[Klarin]

Several.

The Nazis (and, likewise, the Japanese, though perhaps to a slightly lesser extent) were both more technologically advanced than the Allied powers. However, their most significant advances came too late in the war, when their already-lesser manufacturing capability was further reduced, and were unable to turn the tide in their favor... though had the war lasted but a year longer, it would probably have been sufficient.

However, at no time did they not have the technology to create their designs. They simply couldn't mass-produce them due to a lacking industrial capacity.

Klarin

[Charette]

Well in a mather of fact , the problem in the last War Years was the own German Civil Saboteurs , the now so called "Silent Heroes".

The Problem was not the Industrial Output , but the "Silent Resist" in some Keyplaces. Who are Sabotage the Manufactored Parts , missleading Suppliements ect.

This leads to drawbacks on the Production and/or Testing.

Why not the Industrial Capacitys ? Well some of the Regimes thinks ahead and start building some whole Industrial Complexes under the Surface or in artifical Mountain Caches (one was recently rediscovered).

Some of the Fancy Technological Goodies did still appear due the last War Month but in this time it was good for nothing ... thank good for this.

[darth_yannick]

All very nice, if all that technology was possible, they would probably have won the war. Unfortunately for them, the Germans already lost the war in 1943: The tank battle of Koersk. After that battle, the Red Army advanced further to the west and conquered the Nazi east cantons pretty easily...

[Luga]

What really lost the war, I belive, is that Hitler decided to suddenly go to war with the whole damn planet instead of working his way through country after country, taking over Europe first and leave America alone, instead using Japanese forces to help to take over Europe.

But that's what I am thinking anyhow, if they didnt Attack Pearl, I dont think US would have attacked as soon as they did

[darth_yannick]

Well, I guess you're right.
It would have been a lor easier to first conquer whole Europe and then the USSR. He had a non-agression pact wiht the Russians anyway. But no, he still had to conquer whole England but he started a war with Russia anyway, and that eastern front was too much for Germany.
About America, they only joined the war in 1944 I think? Well, maybe already in 1943, but their first steps on European bottom were only in 1944 if I remember well. By that time, Russia was already very busy with pushing the eastern front towards Germany.

[Ghostly_Substance]

Just off topic to point something out which always annoyed me in Battlefield 1942 and real life. Well American and Canadians were fighting together in Italy to knock out one of Germany's Allies so both Americans and Canadians fight their rears off equally. When both get to Rome the American leader told Canadian troops to stay behind while he and his American troops marched into Rome as a hero while Canadian troops fighting their rears off get no respect at all and we get no Canadian maps in Battlefield 1942.

Anyways back on topic.
@ Stargazer: Nazi & Germany and yes I know they are different that one is a party while the other is a country as a whole.

@ everybody: I agree it was the manufacturers taking number of hits from both bombing and sabatoge inside underground bases (now still in use as a military base). If the Nazi's/Germans were left to build what they wanted imagine the technology that the allied forces would create and how much more advance it could be (like that shuttle I linked). Maybe something like an R/C Submarine that explodes in port?

[Corsair]

Ghostly_Substance, on Dec 28 2006, 01:15 PM, said:

Canadian troops fighting their rears off get no respect at all

Yea, kind of annoys me when Americans bring up that they won World War II (especially when some bring up D-Day). Many people don't see to realize that the British and Canadians invaded Normandy too, although to a lesser extent, but can you blame them? They were fighting off Germany for years before we got over there. Not to mention Russia probably could have taken Germany by themselves.

Luga, on Dec 28 2006, 09:31 AM, said:

What really lost the war, I belive, is that Hitler decided to suddenly go to war with the whole damn planet instead of working his way through country after country

But yea I agree that if Hitler would have slowed down and targeted one country at a time we would all be speaking German right now.

This post has been edited by Corsair: 28 December 2006 - 02:10 PM

[Klarin]

Actually, I find it unlikely that Hitler would have attempted cross-oceanic invasions. I should note that never has a true invasion been mounted across an ocean. Even the subjugation of the Americas involved first a good deal of help from locals hostile to the dominant powers, and then an already heavily established foothold. D-Day was conducted from Britain, a friendly launching ground, despite the fact that the majority of the soldiers involved were from the United States. Conducting a trans-oceanic invasion against a hostile power, with nothing but ocean between launching and landing... it's doomed to failure.

Klarin

[Foshjedi2004]

Why do you think that russia got so Friendly with Cuba??

[Klarin]

Given the situation, I'm more than certain that the Soviet Union only intended that to be a challenge or warning, not preparations for invasion.

Klarin

[Oblisk]

Ghostly_Substance, on Dec 27 2006, 11:42 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ewKOW-G1q_4

Damn Well goes to show you that both Americans and Russians copied off Germany. One being the German Elektraboot (Lack of mass-production failed the U-boat war) with the advanced technology of it and the shape of the U-boat. Next the Americans accepted the German V-1/V-2 Rocket engineer yet didn't use him until Russia went into space first. Russia copying German weapons but I forget which one (AK-47 was based on a German weapon).

Anyways my point is that the Nazi's were advanced in their blueprints but lacked the technology to create it. Look at what they thought of with what they created (even Germany today). You will see the R/C Tank destroying bomb which was expensive to keep funding. Germany creating V2 rockets which had the ability to go into space but not properly understood. The Tiger tank which had to be beat by sheer numbers like the Sherman tanks and the Russian T Tanks. Germany created an aircraft carrier but Hitler sunk it >.<

Thoughts?

"Copied"?

80% of USSR's and American military technology came from Germany when they "liberated" and stole military technology from the country. And yes, German's military was very advanced.

[darth_yannick]

Klarin, on Dec 28 2006, 08:38 PM, said:

Given the situation, I'm more than certain that the Soviet Union only intended that to be a challenge or warning, not preparations for invasion.

Klarin

Yea, I agree here.
IF the USA would try something, they could harm them pretty bad... something like that.
The USSR was more interested in making whole Europe communistic than conquering America.

[Cheeseinator]

Luga, on Dec 28 2006, 07:31 AM, said:

What really lost the war, I belive, is that Hitler decided to suddenly go to war with the whole damn planet instead of working his way through country after country, taking over Europe first and leave America alone, instead using Japanese forces to help to take over Europe.

But that's what I am thinking anyhow, if they didnt Attack Pearl, I dont think US would have attacked as soon as they did

yeah, had hitler left the soviet union alone the war would have gone a lot better for germany. Who would want russia anyway? It's a big cold wasteland. Then Hitler could have control over Europe after defeating england then I imagine if he was smart he would have just sat there a while building up more resources, weapons, and whatnot before thinking about the rest of the world.

[Foshjedi2004]

He went into Russia For Lebensraum (Living Space) for the German Empire.

The Kinder Küchen Kirche (Children Kitchen Church) policy, while being very sexist meant that the german people would have had a massive population boom requiring more space to move into.

[Corsair]

Klarin, on Dec 28 2006, 02:23 PM, said:

Actually, I find it unlikely that Hitler would have attempted cross-oceanic invasions. I should note that never has a true invasion been mounted across an ocean. Even the subjugation of the Americas involved first a good deal of help from locals hostile to the dominant powers, and then an already heavily established foothold. D-Day was conducted from Britain, a friendly launching ground, despite the fact that the majority of the soldiers involved were from the United States. Conducting a trans-oceanic invasion against a hostile power, with nothing but ocean between launching and landing... it's doomed to failure.

Klarin

Yes, but whether 50 years, 100 years, or 150 years, Nazi-Eurasia would at some point have invaded the Americas, especially if their economy was booming. Either that or gain control over the America's through economical embargos or just sit outside America's shores with destroyers, they wouldn't have to invade at all. How would the United States survive in a world ruled by a Totalitarian government.

[(DoV) Tokakeke]

Foshjedi2004, on Dec 28 2006, 12:13 PM, said:

He went into Russia For Lebensraum (Living Space) for the German Empire.

The Kinder Küchen Kirche (Children Kitchen Church) policy, while being very sexist meant that the german people would have had a massive population boom requiring more space to move into.

That was perhaps the excuse, but not the actual motivation.

[Foshjedi2004]

Thats what's written in the History Books of the United Kingdom.

[Ghostly_Substance]

Something I saw on discovery channel and didn't read the website

http://www.angelfire...anton/nazi.html
http://www.qtm.net/~...e/may/nazi.html

point: Advancements in technology & UFO consipiracy theories