[TheDude]

Post your thoughts about how the star wars movies might have been.

In my opinion:

In Ep. VI, they blow up a second death star. How original. I personaly think the rebels should have done a massive trike on either Kuat Drive Yards or The Maw installation. Wouldn't it be cool if they attacked Kuat, and destroyed the shipyard aroundthe planet? Imagine, a half bult star desstroyerdocked in the ring, whe it shows a TIE spin outof control and smash into it? A battle at Kuat would have been so much cooler.

This post has been edited by Doomtrooper45: 25 February 2007 - 06:56 PM

[popcorn2008]

As far as the classic Star Wars go, they are untouchable. They are some of the best works of Sci-Fi I have ever seen.

As far as battles go, they are only a part of the entire Star Wars story. While special effects are all cool and such, you have to understand the real gist of the story. The core story elements that make Star Wars a modern day epic story.

The classic episodes are great as they are.

[SlurpeeBoy]

I wanted the Empire to win in Ep VI, or at least be beaten by a worthy enemy, like the Vong. Furballs? You have got to be kidding me.

[TheDude]

Or a noghri uprising. Now that would be cool, along with some wookies.

I also think they should make a Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader move. The book was awesome.

[Phlakaton-PG]

They stand alone as some of the best sci-fi films ever - now and later.

[HissingNewt]

They're all good movies. My personal favorites are Episodes 3 and 6 because they tie in awesomeness.

[Loth Don]

The classic trilogy is great. Although I don't like the number of times George went back to change things(is it 5 times or something?) I like the final results. It's amazing to think that A New Hope is 30 years old this year. Watch it(on dvd). Then watch the original Superman, released a year later. Just awesome.

The Phantom Menace was the worse movie out of all of them. The portrayal of Anakin I think messed up most of that movie for me, but I still like it, mostly because of Darth Maul.

I like ROTJ, and I have no problem with taking on a second death star. It's the expanded universe that seems obsessed with superlasers and constantly trying a bigger star destroyer.

This post has been edited by Loth Don: 25 February 2007 - 06:03 PM

[Master of Tofu]

I like I and III because it shows the siths true power and how much of a threat they are to the republic. Plus they have the best lightsaber fights in the whole series

[TheDude]

I need to reword the topics title. It should have been How do you think the moviescould have been improved.

[Cheeseinator]

Doomtrooper45, on Feb 25 2007, 12:11 PM, said:

Post your thoughts about how the star wars movies might have been.

In my opinion:

In Ep. VI, they blow up a second death star. How original. I personaly think the rebels should have done a massive trike on either Kuat Drive Yards or The Maw installation. Wouldn't it be cool if they attacked Kuat, and destroyed the shipyard aroundthe planet? Imagine, a half bult star desstroyerdocked in the ring, whe it shows a TIE spin outof control and smash into it? A battle at Kuat would have been so much cooler.

you have to remember this was before the expanded universe corrupted star wars, I wasn't around when they were origionally released by I imagne I would have been shocked to see a 2nd death star. And that was in the golden age of movies too. Now we are hardly suprised by anything because we've seen something similar to it before.

the only thing I didn't like about the origional trilogy was the battle of endor. The Rebels won way too easy in that battle.

The prequels for the most part, suck. Due to a few major factors:

1. Bad Actors (some were good like Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee, Ewan Mcgregor, and... I always forget his name..... whoever played palpatine)
2. Bad Dialouge
3. somewhat confusing plot lines (I didn't get episode II's plotline until I watched several times)
And the Worst of all....

4. JAR JAR!

[HissingNewt]

Yeah, Jar Jar was kind of annoying. The reason he wasn't killed though is he was insured by the Russian Mafia.

[Xyvik]

Quite frankly the rebels won way too easily in episode 4. Seriously: a single A-wing took down the Executor? I don't think so. A ship that size would have had at least one fully functional backup bridge, and probably a whole lot more than that. And the ewoks...stupid stupid stupid.

But Episode 5 stands as the best of them all (also the prequals suck). The Empire finally got to kick butt: luke loses his hand, the rebel base at Hoth is smashed to pieces, and luke learns he's the son of a mass murderer.

Episode 6 could have been improved tremendously. Remove the ewoks, for one thing, but I'm not sure how it should have gone.

I can tell you a million and one ways the prequals could have been improved. Remove the whole stupid "born of the Force" storyline and have Anakin have a Jedi father who left his mother at a young age becuase the jedi found out about the affair. There from ground one Anakin would have a lingering hatred of the Jedi that could be fostered very easily by Palpatine later. Have it seem that Jedi killed his mother...another mark. He was basically a good kid, but events just turned him against the Jedi from an early age. He never knew his father, heard that the Jedi were responsible, was a bit skeptic about joining them but felt that he could help his friends and the people of the galaxy, and maybe even help the Jedi from the inside, maybe reform them or something, help them see where they were wrong. After time he realizes you can't do that, they are too hypocritical, and when Palpatine makes his offer...bam.

[Loth Don]

Xyvik, on Feb 25 2007, 07:17 PM, said:

Quite frankly the rebels won way too easily in episode 4. Seriously: a single A-wing took down the Executor? I don't think so. A ship that size would have had at least one fully functional backup bridge, and probably a whole lot more than that. And the ewoks...stupid stupid stupid.

But Episode 5 stands as the best of them all (also the prequals suck). The Empire finally got to kick butt: luke loses his hand, the rebel base at Hoth is smashed to pieces, and luke learns he's the son of a mass murderer.

Episode 6 could have been improved tremendously. Remove the ewoks, for one thing, but I'm not sure how it should have gone.

I can tell you a million and one ways the prequals could have been improved. Remove the whole stupid "born of the Force" storyline and have Anakin have a Jedi father who left his mother at a young age becuase the jedi found out about the affair. There from ground one Anakin would have a lingering hatred of the Jedi that could be fostered very easily by Palpatine later. Have it seem that Jedi killed his mother...another mark. He was basically a good kid, but events just turned him against the Jedi from an early age. He never knew his father, heard that the Jedi were responsible, was a bit skeptic about joining them but felt that he could help his friends and the people of the galaxy, and maybe even help the Jedi from the inside, maybe reform them or something, help them see where they were wrong. After time he realizes you can't do that, they are too hypocritical, and when Palpatine makes his offer...bam.

Star Wars was at its best when Lucas let the darkside(the empire) get really dark. Then the fight is more worth watching and more interesting. But he "cheats" be resolving the conflict relatively easily in all of these huge battles. In the commentaries/the making of footage, you see how Lucas gets lazy with the fighting details.

Remember that ewoks were created from the wookie concept. Wookies fighting the empire would have been awesome in Ep 6, as it was when we only caught a glimpse in Ep 3.

I don't mind Anakin being an innocent kid in Ep 1, but he's not just innocent, he's a dork. I don't think explaining Anakins origin was necessary, and the midi-chlorian concept is crap. If you want to show that Anakin had incredible force potential, just show it.

Maul's fight with Obi-wan and Qui-Gon is the best in the series.

Lucas fails to let the villains be more crafty and evil. The emperor and Count Dooku both should have fought more dirty.

This post has been edited by Loth Don: 25 February 2007 - 07:37 PM

[Commander Loony]

I like them all, except the fact that the battles in ROTS are so short lived. Like a maximum of 30 seconds of clones and droids shooting it out with each other and some big walking things getting eviscerated by missiles. I want to see more battles damnit!

But the expanded universe thing is half stupid, half alright. But what gets me is, why do almost all the aliens in star wars have two legs two arms and a mishappen head? Every single one of em is like that - even in books and drawings! Fair enough if its in the movies, but in writing? Damn! And once i read that a rancor was able to talk. Now THAT is stupid.

[Xyvik]

You have to be selective about the EU books you read. Quite frankly, the only EU books I read are those written by Timothy Zahn (the best, simply) and those written by Aaron Allston and Michael Stackpole (the X-Wing series basically, plus some later works). Anything other than that is extremely hit and miss, although NJO had some great stories, the dark nest trilogy was ok, and the Legacy of the Force is actually currently grabbing my attention...mainly because of Allston's fine work.

[HissingNewt]

Legacy of the Force is pretty good. I think he Allston has another book in it coming out this Tuesday.

[Phlakaton-PG]

The Thrawn series is totally sweet! Check it out.

I have been reading the Legacy of the Force... pretty good stuff. I like it and I'm all over the new book this week.

If you want some great reads and simple language check out Jude Watson's Last of The Jedi series. Quite good and easy to read fast. It's in the young readers section at the bookstore.

[Foshjedi2004]

My Copy of Exile will be with me on the 5th of March. Uk's Release date is later than the US'

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Quite frankly the rebels won way too easily in episode 4. Seriously: a single A-wing took down the Executor?

That was Ep VI

I agree that there was a lot of potential in the series that could have been exploited. And I also believe that most of the stuff about Anakin's Youth could have been ignored. For example he changed the story from Ep IV to the prequels.

[Xyvik]

exactly Fosh (sorry bout the ep 4 / ep 6 thing ). The stories really don't mesh up, and in fact, there are literally dozens of inconsistencies.

One of my biggest beefs, before I get to the ways it could have been improved, was Lucas throwing Zahn's ideas of the clone wars out. There was no mention of Clone Madness! That alone would have had hundreds of story potentials between ep2-ep3. And then...where were the Dark Jedi? That would have made Ep3 much better, with Jedi other than just Anakin falling to the dark side.

But the biggest thing is that Anakin had no reason to follow palpatine. There was this one website that was making all sorts of jokes about Ep3 in little comics, but the one I remember (most of it anyway) was Anakin saying this to Palpatine:

(in effect, I can't remember the whole thing)
Anakin: Yes Palpatine! I will abandon everything I have ever heard and known in order to follow your shady teachings, betray my jedi masters and friends, and do it all so I can save my wife from a terrible tragedy that I know is going to happen because I had two three-second long dreams about her dying terribly!"

When you think about it...it makes no sense whatsoever. That's why I think Episode One should have dealt with Anakin's father, and Episode 2 should have made it look like the Jedi were somehow responsible for anakin's mother dying. That would have left a deep, simmering anger that Palpatine could have exploited.

Oh, and definitely a way better actor. There is simply no way that Hayden Christenson, and that terrible script of Lucas, could have turned:

"Obi-Wan's holding me BACK!"

into

"Apology accepted...Captain Needa."

[Loth Don]

Xyvik, on Feb 26 2007, 11:01 AM, said:

When you think about it...it makes no sense whatsoever. That's why I think Episode One should have dealt with Anakin's father, and Episode 2 should have made it look like the Jedi were somehow responsible for anakin's mother dying. That would have left a deep, simmering anger that Palpatine could have exploited.

In Ep 1 Anakin says he had a dream about the Jedi freeing the slaves. I was expecting that in Ep 2, Anakin fails to convince the Jedi to do anything about it since they can't force that sort of thing(not very Jedi to make Jabba/the hutts to stop using slave) and of course then mommy dies from something, and Anakin starts turning down the dark path. Makes more sense then to me. His bitterness towards the Jedi in Ep 3 really only stems from them trying to spy on Palpatine and then later on his reliance on palaptine to save Padme.