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Posted 09 March 2007 - 06:02 PM
Quote BAGHDAD (AP) - The leader of the al-Qaida-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq was captured Friday in a raid west of Baghdad - his identity revealed by a fellow insurgent detained with him, an Iraqi military spokesman said.
Abu Omar al-Baghdadi was captured in a raid in Abu Ghraib on the western outskirts of Baghdad, said Brig. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, spokesman of the Baghdad security operation. U.S. officials had no confirmation of the capture.
"One of the terrorists who was arrested with him confessed that the one in our hands is al-Baghdadi," al-Moussawi said.
Al-Baghdadi has been identified in statements posted on Islamic extremist Web sites as the head of the Islamic State, which was proclaimed last year after the death of the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
In a tape released last November, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq called on Sunni Muslims to pledge their allegiance to a new state that militants have said they created in Iraq, and said al-Baghdadi was "the ruler of believers" with al-Qaida in Iraq fighters under his command.
On Friday, the Islamic State of Iraq announced it would soon release a video on the death of a U.S. Air Force pilot whose F-16 jet crashed Nov. 27 north of Baghdad, according to IntelCenter, which monitors insurgent Web sites.
The pilot, Maj. Troy L. Gilbert, was listed officially as "whereabouts unknown" but then reported by the U.S. military as dead following DNA tests from remains at the scene. IntelCenter said it was unclear what the video would show.
In Baghdad, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ventured into the streets and chatted with Iraqis at police checkpoints Friday to showcase security ahead of an international conference aimed at stabilizing the country with help from its neighbors.
Al-Maliki's office released no advance details of the outing because of safety concerns, but issued photos afterward.
"The conference is proof that the situation in Baghdad is getting back to normal and that the political process is strong and stable," al-Maliki told reporters at a power station nearby.
That al-Maliki could venture out at all was due to a modest improvement in security in the capital since the security operation began last month. Car bombings have decreased, despite last Monday's devastating blast that killed 38 and this week's rash of assaults against Shiite pilgrims that claimed more than 340 lives nationwide.
Security was heightened across Baghdad as international envoys prepared to arrive for Saturday's conference, which would be held at Iraq's Foreign Ministry just outside the heavily fortified Green Zone.
"Additional security measures have been taken to protect the officials participating in the conference and to secure the location of the meeting," said Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, an Interior Ministry spokesman.
U.S. forces, meanwhile, killed a suspected militant and captured 16 others in raids across Iraq, the military said. Among those detained were a man accused of working in al-Qaida's media wing and another believed to be responsible for kidnappings, beheadings and suicide attacks.
"The terrorist cells are being dismantled and operations will continue until we put an end to this dangerous plight that threatens the unity and the prosperity of the people," al-Maliki said Friday.
South of the capital, Shiite Muslims began holy rites in Karbala at the start of a holiday that marks the end of a 40-day mourning period after the anniversary of the death of the Prophet Muhammad's grandson.
Crowds of pilgrims held their hands in the air and bowed their foreheads to the ground, chanting prayers outside Karbala's Imam Hussein shrine, 50 miles south of Baghdad. Iraqi television channels streamed live video of noontime prayers at the shrine.
Millions of pilgrims have traveled to Karbala over the past week, and more than 340 people died in violence since Monday - most of them Shiite pilgrims killed in sectarian attacks along the way.
"To the martyrs who were killed during the procession to Karbala...we offer sympathy to their families," Sheik Ahmed al-Safi said in a sermon Friday at the Iman Hussein shrine.
"I demand the government hit with an iron hand...the outlaws and terrorists," he said. "All Iraqis should feel safe under the state's umbrella."
The head of Iraq's largest Shiite political group, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, endorsed Saturday's regional conference in his own address to the faithful in Karbala. But he also warned Sunni Arab governments not to use the conference to pressure the Shiite leadership on behalf of their fellow Sunnis.
"We call on all international and the regional groups that will attend the conference to display a positive spirit and warn against any attempt to neglect the Iraqi national achievements," he said.
Four million pilgrims were attending rites Friday, he said.
Sunni-led Arab governments will likely use the weekend conference to press for a greater Sunni role in Iraq. That has rankled Iraq's Shiite leaders, who were marginalized for decades under Sunni minority rule.
The dispute reflects the complicated tensions that are likely to surface at the meeting, which gathers diplomats from Iraq's Arab neighbors, Iran, the United States, Turkey and the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.
Iran has vowed to support its Shiite allies in the Iraqi government - but is also concerned the U.S. will renew accusations that Iran is supporting Shiite militants and fueling Iraq's bloodshed.
David Satterfield, the top State Department adviser on Iraq, who is leading the U.S. delegation, said Thursday that the U.S. would not walk away from direct talks with Iran or Syria during the conference, but the Bush administration apparently does not plan to seek out contact.
Finally! Looks like our security crackdown worked!
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:09 PM
Bad day in Iraq? Arrest some vendor guy off the street, call him a "terrorist leader" and stick him in Guantanamo indefinitely. It's like epinephrine to the heart of public opinion.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:15 PM
I'm sorry but I dont share anyone's positive appraisal of this. These groups are like lizards with regenerative properties. Another head will grow. Already did I'm sure... that's why someone is dead.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:18 PM
Wow. WOW. Tokakeke, you're beginning to remind me of one of those people who think that Hitler escaped to Antarctica in a submarine.
What? You're mad that there's progress? You're hoping that everything possible goes wrong so we will pull out? May God help you.
I mean, that's one way to give credit to the integrity and skill of the Iraqi security forces. *rolls eyes and shakes head in disapointment*
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Yes, but we've been (I don't know what the right word to use with it is) doing terrorist stings all around Iraq. A limb won't regrow once the lizard's dead.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:25 PM
Precisely so, Fosh. And there's nothing to show that the violence, despite a decrease in the number of car bombings, in Baghdad has decreased any. Assuming the 'security crackdown' to have succeeded on the basis of capturing one terrorist cell leader (assuming this to be an accurate report) is premature.
Edit: Oh? Really? And what international laws, and moral standards, would these supposed methods violate? "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
In other words, don't do questionable things to catch people who do questionable things - all you're doing is making yourself into one of them.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:28 PM
Doomtrooper45, on Mar 9 2007, 05:24 PM, said:
For all you know, we might have very classified and effective ways of interrogating someone, even the terrorists. We could essentially weed out the entire leadership structure and all of their bases of operations, you know, and force them out into the open with no place to run.
if that were true the war would be over by now
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:47 PM
Foshjedi2004, on Mar 9 2007, 06:21 PM, said:
As Eric Said, so we killed one Piranha, there are hundreds more to take his place.
But what if instead of shooting a pirahna, you use a large bomb to kill them all at once? We need to find that "bomb" to win in Iraq.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:53 PM
these are religious extremeists we are talking about some of them would carry thier secrets to grave no dobut. And I don't think we can kill these cells as fast as they grow.
(DoV) Tokakeke, on Mar 9 2007, 05:09 PM, said:
Bad day in Iraq? Arrest some vendor guy off the street, call him a "terrorist leader" and stick him in Guantanamo indefinitely. It's like epinephrine to the heart of public opinion.
That sounds highly likely, the public isn't satisfied with how the war is going, what do they want? results. Grab some guy off of the street lock him up and claim that he's a terrorist leader. and boom, you have a result, public is satsified, war seems to making progress. Wahoo...... >_<
hissingnewt13, on Mar 9 2007, 05:47 PM, said:
But what if instead of shooting a pirahna, you use a large bomb to kill them all at once? We need to find that "bomb" to win in Iraq.
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I hope that was sarcastic
yes, let's drain the amazon river to kill all of the pirahnas. Who cares about everything else in the river, as long as we get all the pirahnas
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:56 PM
Because, Doomtrooper, as Vietnam taught us, we cannot win another country's civil war, and I don't want to see anyone dying needlessly in a futile attempt to do so.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:58 PM
The Cheeseinator, on Mar 9 2007, 06:53 PM, said:
I hope that was sarcastic
It's called a metaphor / simile. I don't know which. Maybe even figurative language.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 08:01 PM
It's not the metaphor, it's idea. I took your statement as "lets find a way to kill all of the insurgents at once". Which is BAD pretty much the only way to do that is to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 08:03 PM
It's probably not possible, but if it were without many civilians killed, it would be great.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 08:10 PM
Klarin, on Mar 9 2007, 07:56 PM, said:
Because, Doomtrooper, as Vietnam taught us, we cannot win another country's civil war, and I don't want to see anyone dying needlessly in a futile attempt to do so.
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What? You actually think we lost vietnam?
Several reasons why we didn't lose Vietnam.*
A. We were fighting the commies, ergo de facto**, we win.
2. We made the world safe for democracy.
D. We are america, ergo de facto, we win.
But seriously, that's the only war America might have lost. But you also have to understand that this is a serious morale gain for us and the civvies, and a serious lose for the cowards.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 08:23 PM
protip: Vietnam wasn't a winnable war, because we didn't have anything to win in the first place.
the vietnamese already hated our ######ing guts for going in, they threw off the French and were tired of colonialism. so don't even bring up that argument.
Half the guys we arrest as "terrorist leaders" most likely aren't terrorists at all. Seeing as how they don't get a fair trial anyway, it's almost certain that that sort of thing happens every day in Iraq.
can't we just leave countries that aren't doing shit to us alone?
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 08:25 PM
They blow themselves up for the sake of their beliefs, and you call them cowards? I can think of more than a few applicable labels, but coward is not one of them. A morale gain, however useful, does not mean victory in the face of an unwinnable strategic situation. Our only option is to retreat and figure out a way to keep them out of our own country (such as staying out of theirs, perhaps). You cannot kill the Hydra except by destroying its heart, and the heart of this Hydra is our presence in the Middle East and Iraq specifically.
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