[Ghostly_Substance]

http://www.gamespot....estnews;title;2

Wow.....ignorant much? GTA 4 isn't even out yet and your after it. Smart. Well if he hasn't played a game this is pointless matter. Can someone shoot him already?

edit: Crap we're gonna be going in circles again...........

*cue Imperial March music*

[slornie]

whats everyone got against games like GTA, Bully, etc... if they dont like the violence, dont buy it - but there is no reason to spoil everyone else's fun too

[Ghostly_Substance]

True ^, Also while waiting for Slornie to post I found this:

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While Thompson is still in the thick of his Bully battle, he made time today to fire off a cease-and-desist order to Midway Games. He wants the publisher to stop distributing Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, but contrary to what one might expect, he didn't cite the game's over-the-top violence as a reason to stop selling it.

http://image.com.com...n902_screen.jpg

[Zap]

here we go again, jack T rolling with the lawsuit barrel again

EDIT:

Look what I found

Actiontrip said:

Take-Two Sues Thomson, Lawyer Calls for "Divine Aid" [Ure "Vader" Paul] 04:05 am EDT @ March 19th, 2007
The tables have turned and the hunter has now become the prey. Publisher Take-Two is protecting its interest by filing a lawsuit against Miami attorney, Jack Thomson, whose efforts in the past few years made him practically infamous within the gaming community. Taking every precaution, Take-Two now means to prevent Thompson from blocking the release of GTA IV and Manhunt 2. The company petitioned the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida for relief. In short, they aim to stop Thompson from trying to have both games declared a public nuisance under Florida law.

This is but a new chapter in the Thompson vs. Take-Two saga. Last October, the game-slandering lawyer filed a similar action against the publisher's title Bully, but a Florida judge refused Thompson’s contention and allowed the game to hit retailers normally.

Thompson has a history of making multiple threats of legal action, whether substantiated or not, both against (Take Two) as well as the retailers who purchase the video games and offer them for sale to the public. Thompson has made such threats again in connection with Manhunt 2 and GTAIV…

In his almost immediate response to the lawsuit, JT ended up calling upon the powers of heaven and earth in his relentless fight against Take-Two.

I have been praying, literally, that Take-Two and its lawyers would do something so stupid, so arrogant, so dumb, even dumber than what they have to date done, that such a misstep would enable me to destroy Take-Two. With the filing of this SLAPP lawsuit last week, my prayers are finally answered.

He proceeds to encourage folks to read Psalm 35, a Psalm of David, a portion of which he believes applies to the lawsuit.

Don't mean to sound blasphemous or anything, but this guy has finally cracked. No, seriously. It's obvious that a banana dropped off his tree... to say the least.

linky: http://gamepolitics....-jack-thompson/

the rebels strikes back

This post has been edited by Zap: 19 March 2007 - 11:17 AM

[TheDude]

slornie, on Mar 19 2007, 11:51 AM, said:

whats everyone got against games like GTA, Bully, etc... if they dont like the violence, dont buy it - but there is no reason to spoil everyone else's fun too

You can't be serious.
Why do people play games like bully and GTA? (rhetorical question) I don't have any reason to. People are against Bully because it is a real problem in school, and I would know, being a victim of one in 6th grade. GTA is even worse though. A game where you kill policemen, murder civilians, hijack cars, and God knows what other illegal activities, deserves to be banned in the US. Kudos to the company that made "crackdown." I love the idea of playing GTAs antimatter. Rockstar is an immoral company that needs to be shut down immediately. People blame school violence on games. These games are most likely the cause.
I do play FPSs though. But the FPSs that I play you play as a soldier or someone good. Such as Call of Duty, Halo, Half-life, those sorts of games.

[Ben]

For the love of.....Doomtrooper, your post SCREAMS bias.


First of: Bully and San Andreas are games, anyone going to pull a MAC-10 out and kill somebody because of GTA would have to have a psychological problem so obvious, that it would be...well, obvious

Secondly: Crackdown is just as violent, and yet you give props to that company?

"I do play FPSs though. But the FPSs that I play you play as a soldier or someone good. Such as Call of Duty, Halo, Half-life, those sorts of games."


-Hmmmm. What a biased mind. First off, your average FPS is incredibly violent (see Quake, Half-Life etc, etc)
-"Soldier or someone good... " Define "Good" in that sentence. There are no "good" or "bad" guys in a war there are merely people on either side.

[TheDude]

Ben, on Mar 19 2007, 05:07 PM, said:

For the love of.....Doomtrooper, your post SCREAMS bias.
First of: Bully and San Andreas are games, anyone going to pull a MAC-10 out and kill somebody because of GTA would have to have a psychological problem so obvious, that it would be...well, obvious

Secondly: Crackdown is just as violent, and yet you give props to that company?

"I do play FPSs though. But the FPSs that I play you play as a soldier or someone good. Such as Call of Duty, Halo, Half-life, those sorts of games."
-Hmmmm. What a biased mind. First off, your average FPS is incredibly violent (see Quake, Half-Life etc, etc)
-"Soldier or someone good... " Define "Good" in that sentence. There are no "good" or "bad" guys in a war there are merely people on either side.

In Crackdown you play as law enforcement officers. It is the gaming opposite of GTA, and that is seriously what the gaming industry needs.
Soldier or someone good= A soldier or person fighting for a good cause. Halo: A soldier who fights for survival against aliens that wants to exterminate the entire human race. Half-life/Half-life 2: In Half-Life, you are a scientist who is trying to stop an conglomerate of alien races from taking over Earth. In Half-life 2, you are that same scientist and you are attempting to free the humans from the clutches of the Combine. Call of Duty: You are a soldier during world war 2.

[(DoV) Tokakeke]

In Battlefield 2 you can play as a Chinese soldier and kill U.S. Marines. Not even by choice, sometimes the game switches you because the teams are imbalanced.

BAN BATTLEFIELD 2.

[TheDude]

Haha. You're an expert at sarcasm there, Tokakeke.
That takes place in a war. War and criminal activities are two totally different things. I am revolted at the thought of people supporting companies as immoral as Rockstar.

But hey, don't listen to me. You can screw up your own lives and your childrens' lives' when you're an adult. Let's teach this generation that killing policemen, civilians, and doing other illegal activities is ok.

[Cheeseinator]

S.S. Doomtrooper, on Mar 19 2007, 03:59 PM, said:

But hey, don't listen to me. You can screw up your own lives and your childrens' lives' when you're an adult. Let's teach this generation that killing policemen, civilians, and doing other illegal activities is ok.

That's why it's a game. We all know that doing illegal things is... well illegal but that's why we have video games, to do things that you couldn't normally do in the first place. An escape from reality into something fun and dangerous and without any real consequences.

This post has been edited by The Cheeseinator: 19 March 2007 - 05:38 PM

[Ghostly_Substance]

Ya games are more "user friendly" or safer ways to take drugs if you think of it that way. I just think of games as something to do and if I can save, keep track of my progress, and its worth the effort to play the game I shall. Games are just games and shall I bring my Roman quote? Ok let me find it and dust it off

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I see why the Ancient Romans were so ruthless and violent. It is because they over played video games such as Rome Total War on their old fashioned wooden PC's stolen from the stone ages. Maybe Chess also caused the peaceful Greeks to cause wars from all the annoyances.

Ya that sounds about right, justifies the cause of the Roman Empire Its true right since GTA makes you steal cars and kill random police guys in real life? Next i'll see a guy dressed up as Spongebob Squarepants just laughing in the mall and acting worse then a retarded person. Why? Because there are games based on him.

Oh and Doomtrooper I guess the guys in the 1910-1950's learned how to Speed thanks to Need For Speed and Gran Turismo

Them quotes never get old since it does justice right there. Even if the game is violent or not your implying that it just brainwashes you to do stuff you won't necessarily do.

[Commander Loony]

Wow, some really nice responses guys. Love the Rome quote

I love my games because its an escape from reality, like what The Cheeseinator said. We can make our own decisions on what we buy and play, and we don't need that ******* ***** * ***** ** ***** ** ** ** ** ** ***** ** ***** **** *** * **** *** ** *** ** ** *** ** * *** mongrel jack thompson deciding for us. If he wants to ban one game thats 'violent', then ban the entire friggin human race for god's sakes. There are worse things than a harmless video game. If a disturbed person plays GTA then goes out and kills someone, then that doesnt mean its gonna happen to the rest of us.

I want to mortally wound/kill jack thompson so bad hahaha jokes...maybe just cast him off into space where he can suffocate on nothingness and begone from our memories. He ain't banning my escape from this wretched hell thats for sure!

[(DoV) Tokakeke]

S.S. Doomtrooper, on Mar 19 2007, 01:59 PM, said:

Haha. You're an expert at sarcasm there, Tokakeke.
That takes place in a war. War and criminal activities are two totally different things. I am revolted at the thought of people supporting companies as immoral as Rockstar.

Wait wait wait. How is killing a police officer different than killing a soldier?

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But hey, don't listen to me. You can screw up your own lives and your childrens' lives' when you're an adult. Let's teach this generation that killing policemen, civilians, and doing other illegal activities is ok.

Anyone that kills because they saw it in a video game is already so ######ed in the head that they'd probably do it without one

Where do we draw the line? Do we censor all T.V. shows with police being killed? How about books? Which books do we censor then? Murder mysteries? I'm sure I could find a couple passages where the Bible mentions killing authority figures. Censor that? Then what? Do we censor civilians being killed?

Now, the response I'm expecting is "well lzol tok, ur not klilling anyone in a book!!!". To which I answer: how is moving a player and firing a weapon in a game representative of you any more than a book? The only difference is that one you're actively controlling the plot and the others you're not.

Finally, all of this is conjecture without noting a few key facts. First off, Bully is not an evil game with you beating up nerds and taking their lunch money. If you did some research, you'd find that the main character actually stands up against bullies in the game.

Secondly, there is absolutely no proven correlation between violence in video games and actual violence. We would see a lot more murders, suicides, and violent crimes if there were. And by "more", I mean probably 100,000 more a month. Do you honestly understand how many people play FPS games?

Thirdly, I'm going to offer my own experience. I play relatively tame FPS like Battlefield 2, BF2142, Jedi Academy, Battlefront II, and so forth. I still find war atrocious and stupid, find real-world violence sickening, and am somewhat of a pacifist. However, the appeal of FPS games, as I see it, is this. We (males and perhaps females) are evolutionarily predisposed to hunt prey. We get a rush out of finding food, shelter, useful items, money, whatever. We also get a rush out of competition. Now, you may think: "why isn't everyone addicted to Tetris then?".

My hypothesis is this. FPS games (and to a slightly smaller extent, RTS games) appeal because of the following factors:

• Death is the ultimate "win". When somebody dies, or a platoon dies in an RTS, or a tank blows up, that's it. You have beat the person 100%, they didn't see you, or they weren't as quick as you, and you are the ultimate winner in that confrontation. No tie, no compromises
  
• Death is something we have programmed into us. When you get three lines removed in Tetris, that's cool, but that has no connection to nature. We have never went outside of caves and played Tetris.
  
• The survival instinct motivates us to play FPS games. We attempt to beat as many other players as possible while staying alive ourselves. If we were all "programmed" with no fear of death, FPSs might not appeal to us. It'd be repetitive.
  
• We are held back from war so much that it is a "forbidden fruit". It's like sex in a way. We don't see war, we don't participate in it, and because we don't, we make these idealized versions of it to partially experience it.
  
• FPS games also have a social aspect. While some games are Rambo-like, they are not nearly as successful as games that encourage teamwork. This fulfills both our need to socialize (something some FPS players may not do ) and our desire to help others. Helping someone by whipping out the medic pack after they get shot rewards you and helps your teammate. As does spotting snipers and telling teammates on VoIP. As does repairing vehicles.

Fourthly, you're a total hypocrite. You're posting about the evils of game violence on a company forum that makes games about killing entire armies, blowing up civilians' houses to stop them spawning, and, in the future, making them into alien slaves.

This post has been edited by (DoV) Tokakeke: 19 March 2007 - 09:26 PM

[Ben]

S.S. Doomtrooper, on Mar 19 2007, 05:37 PM, said:

In Crackdown you play as law enforcement officers. It is the gaming opposite of GTA, and that is seriously what the gaming industry needs.
Soldier or someone good= A soldier or person fighting for a good cause. Halo: A soldier who fights for survival against aliens that wants to exterminate the entire human race. Half-life/Half-life 2: In Half-Life, you are a scientist who is trying to stop an conglomerate of alien races from taking over Earth. In Half-life 2, you are that same scientist and you are attempting to free the humans from the clutches of the Combine. Call of Duty: You are a soldier during world war 2.

I've played Crackdown, and it is fairly violent in yourself. All the games you mentioned.....They are millitaristic. Which is well, the most violent you are going to get.

[HissingNewt]

(DoV) Tokakeke, on Mar 19 2007, 09:25 PM, said:

Wait wait wait. How is killing a police officer different than killing a soldier?

Well, the soldier will most likely have an automatic rifle while the cop will have a pistol or shotgun. And the soldier will have armor.

[Ben]

Hissing, that was near irrelevent.

[(DoV) Tokakeke]

hissingnewt13, on Mar 19 2007, 07:45 PM, said:

Well, the soldier will most likely have an automatic rifle while the cop will have a pistol or shotgun. And the soldier will have armor.

The cop might have a nice hat too.

[mastermind]

S.S. Doomtrooper, on Mar 19 2007, 05:59 PM, said:

But hey, don't listen to me. You can screw up your own lives and your childrens' lives' when you're an adult. Let's teach this generation that killing policemen, civilians, and doing other illegal activities is ok.

It's amazing, but people actually have the ability to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. It's a rather difficult concept, since one is all around you, and the other is presented to you via a computer monitor, or a television, or a book, but somehow people manage. I've never played much of GTA, although I was strongly tempted to get San Andreas when it got rerated to AO just because it was so absurd to rerate the game over such a silly thing. Games don't teach much about things like killing. I'm a pretty good shot with a pistol in Battlefield 2, but I'm not that great with an actual gun.

[Stargazer]

S.S. Doomtrooper, on Mar 19 2007, 09:59 PM, said:

Haha. You're an expert at sarcasm there, Tokakeke.
That takes place in a war. War and criminal activities are two totally different things. I am revolted at the thought of people supporting companies as immoral as Rockstar.

But hey, don't listen to me. You can screw up your own lives and your childrens' lives' when you're an adult. Let's teach this generation that killing policemen, civilians, and doing other illegal activities is ok.

it's completely 100% true now.

you're a fanatical, pathetic, religious extremeist.

it's called a video game, what? don't tell me that you can't tell the difference between a video game and real life? can you?

you're already f'd up in the head if you believe a video game is real.

Doom, why don't you classify movies under that banner aswell? I mean after watching a completely 100 percent fictional show, shall I be temped to cut an old guys eyes open? no, why? because it's fake, just like the video games.

once again, your pathetic, you're an ignorant kid who has been corrupted to the core by his parents, and I don't like you.

[(DoV) Tokakeke]

hay guyz ur wrong, yesterday i shot a chinese guy cause there was a flag and it looked like a PLA command post :V :V :V