Everyone, I've always wondered, if theres something bad happening, why is it either our fault or our
job to fix it? I mean come on, how were those muhammad cartoons our fault as an example?
It just confuses me

I don't think anyone ever said the Dutch Cartoons were America's fault untill an American Newspaper published them. And this whole topic is a little pointless.

"How come everything is our fault", there is a really no way to awnser that as you havnt defined "everything" just given one example. I suppose if you want an easy awnser its that America is a superpower and as such has its influences in every area of the word. Every time something bad happens, chances are America was nearby, or a couple countries over, or something. But by that reasoning, America is also responcible for everything good too.

Talking about why the military has to help with national disasters to help clean stuff up to ancient times when the Roman army used to build buildings?

If you are wondering why it is our, the US Army, job to fix problems in the world?

MY, I say again MY, answer is that if we don't do it, nobody will.

But that is just my opinion.

Substance you are a conspiracy Moonbat Lib far left french lover.

*Dont make me own you in a game match*




Substance you are a conspiracy Moonbat Lib far left french lover.

*Dont make me own you in a game match*

Let the trolling begin!

imho it seems that teh world always comes to the U.S. when there in trouble...but whines and ******* if we dont do it, or dont do it with perfection(perfection is impossible)

I agree with the above.

Guys guys guys. Keep it cool. Dont let this topic get out of hand - or I might have to use my force powers on you

Where the hell did this come from? If this is from the MSN convo we had between me, you, bex, D803, and my friend then chill out not my fault your so damn bias Not to start a flame war but I did not lock your church topic I only said my opinion (I don't have powers to lock anything in the bar). Also Commando you got to open up to what other people think and not your own and stop contradicting yourself

Anyways ya the poor countries always ask the super power for help since they know that they would provide a helping hand. Remember during the Ontario Ice Storm back in 1996 (I think) where the Canadian military had to help out (Well for the Canadian side of this forum). US Military had to help out with New Orleans, North American Operation of fresh food to Africa, Tsunami rescue, Afganistan earthquake relief. This to help the overwhelmed Rescue organizations who are helping on small scale. Well you guys are a super power after all that your basically a big huge sign saying "I'M WEALTHY WE WOULD HELP ANYBODY SINCE WE ARE SO BLOODY RICH!" Also you guys are willing to help? Well I do agree that countries can leech off of you since you are providing opportunities and even with the welfare program here in Canada. (Hopefully its what I wanted to say and not something stupid)

Listen people, don't let this get out of control, but when we don't decide to help someone in the start of something, we get dragged into it because someone attacks us. WHY ARE WE HATED BY ALMOST EVERYONE!!!!!

The only countries I can think of that don't constantly need foreign help from us are the European countries.

And the Pope never asks for help either.

Hmm, let's see. Stationing troops in the Middle East, against indigenous peoples wishes, religious practices, and then supporting a state that is sitting right ON their holy land, while attacking secular Sunni states for no apparent reason and setting up Shi'ite governments? Supporting oppressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia, and stabbing secular regimes in the back like we did with the Shah in 1979?

Gee, why DO they hate us?

Because they the hate freedom "The Great Satan" gives everybody?

Middle Eastern country starts bombing countries in the U.S. and sets up theocracies, I'd bet you'd be a little antagonistic toward them too. Democracy by force is an oxymoron.

You seem to have forgotten that they do like to say "death to america" and such, right? I don't think we started the death to america protests over there.

Also, al-qaida and the taliban kind of brainwash people to be against america.

did they really used to do that - I have Gibbons' 6 volume set on Rome, I should read that some day....

but I always try to convince people of my recommendation/opinion that:

a. civil engineering should be a primary duty when not actively involved in conflict

b. we always say "defending our country", it'd be awesome if they actually did that. Military is involved in way too many offensives.

Well that does seem to be the only times when Americans are rallied together but it would be nice to do a pre-emptive strike against Iraq and prevent them from ever selling nukes to terrorists rather than mounting an offense due to terrorists setting off nukes in New York...

(And I don't mean to single out Iraq, I sort of mean that about any atomic rogue state)

A better country to use is North Korea.

Democracy by Democracy is a retardism.

Iraq didn't have any nukes, and Saddam was not friendly to "terrorists". Get your facts straight.

the Taliban, Lebanon, Iraq, Afganastan, etc have one thing in common... They all hate Israel. And they hate us cause we help Israel and since most of us are Christian. The hating Israel thing goes way way back.

I never said he had nukes, I meant it would prevent him from ever selling any nukes in the future if he ever had decided to make them. And I never said Saddam was terrorist friendly but if a terrorist is willing to shell out enough money for a couple nukes I don't think Saddam would have minded.

Understand what I'm saying before you post

Wrong. That's like if a KKK member came into Harlem and asked to buy something. He'd be shot in 2 seconds flat.

"Hmm, let's see. Stationing troops in the Middle East, against indigenous peoples wishes, religious practices, and then supporting a state that is sitting right ON their holy land, while attacking secular Sunni states for no apparent reason and setting up Shi'ite governments? Supporting oppressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia, and stabbing secular regimes in the back like we did with the Shah in 1979?

Gee, why DO they hate us?"

Umm, not all indigenous people hate us. Take Afghanistan. I don't understand where you get religious practices from by having our troops there. What's so bad about supporting the Saudis? We do it not by choice, but by necessity. If it wasn't for the oil, we would of probably trashed them. Now, we attacked a Sunni state, but keep in mind that government killed the other Muslim religious groups. We made a big mistake when we killed the democratic government in Iran, which lead to the Ayatollahs. It would of been safer to give that country to the Soviets then the mess we have today. We didn't stab the Shah, they stabbed us in the back. Remember, they took the hostages. We just tried curing a guy who they hated. We were Switzerland then, we had Jimmy "I bring you peace and love' Carter, and we got backstabbed.

Also, you are neglecting the good we do to this world. If it wasn't for America, the world would still be in the dark ages with kings and queens and tyrants instead of republics. There are only 6 monarchs in the world with absolute power out of 200+ countries. We inspired. We give food to the poor, we cure the poor who are sick with no questions asked. We take the masses of the poor who wish to be free. And somehow, somehow, we are hated. We are viewed as the great Satan by Satan itself. Satan spews propaganda to turn the world against us, so we can indeed return to a horrible time.

Besides, who are those countries to judge? Remember, we would of liked to conquer Russia from the communists by having Stalin and Hitler go against each other, and then paving the way. Saddam was a bugger, Bush had a grudge against him. While I feel there was no point in that war, we must stay there or lose military creds.

"b. we always say "defending our country", it'd be awesome if they actually did that. Military is involved in way too many offensives."

Hear hear!

BTW, do you think they confused Iraq with Iran (they being the CIA)?

Assuming the KKK member is wearing the robe. Although we're all aware terrorists seem to be the most disguised when they're not wearing masks at all.

I would also like to ask why they call Americans infidels?

And what did the Pope do to them? Al-qaida said his visit to Turkey was the start of a new Crusade.

It goes back to the times of the moors in North Africa and the crusades relating to their Christian enemies.

Oh. I think they won't be liking Assassin's Creed, since that is in the time of the crusades.

I don't think many of them play video games...

Yeah, but the one's who do...

Maybe they think they're the assassins against the crusaders?

(I haven't played the game so I don't know...)

Anyway... kind of off topic... just a little bit...

I'm pretty sure you're a christian (I don't know a specific country since I haven't taken world history yet), but maybe I'm wrong. I'll be getting the game, probably.

An infidel is a nonbeliever (not necessarily a non-Muslim, but a rejector or oppressor of the Islamic faith). The extremists that we battle interpret the Koran in a way that allows them to destroy the invading infidel oppressors because they have sparked a newfound hatred of other religions. As a Muslim, I find that the Koran does not sanction these calamities. What does it say of infidels? It says that God forbids you making friends with those that drive you from your homes and slaughter your folk on basis of religion. Treat the infidels that respect your beliefs with kindness and justice.

The Messiah, son of Mary, a truthful woman, is but a messenger of God, and has passed as other messengers before him have. Anyone who thinks otherwise cannot be considered as a true believer. This means that although we may very well be worshipping the same

In conflict, the Koran also says leave the infidels alone. Do not judge the ungrateful infidels, for He will sort them out.

Finally, in the final slaughter that ends the Earth, all Muslims will die while many infidels will remain to watch Allah blow the trumpet. I can't find an excuse to kill American soldiers, but they firmly believe there's enough evidence that we're oppressing them because of their religion.


As for why everyone fears and hates America, didn't we cream everyone in every war we've participated in save 1812?

But all of those wars were not started by us. And that doesn't hold true for the Civil War no matter what. A country never wins a civil war.

You watch to much cnn


We did found WMD


Saddam had ties to terrorists

Proof here


What does Congressman Carney know about Saddam and al Qaeda ties?
http://rayrobison.typepad.com/ray_robison/...does_congr.html

http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/12...ssman_elect_ch/


So you see, terrorists were in iraq before we came in.

didin't we win that one? and Vietnam......If you even want to call that one a war



True Dat'

I always here from people this fact that is supposed to be awe inspiring "More Americans Died in the Civil War than in any other war" To this I say DUH! Americans were the only ones participating in the war.

Of course Saddam was a bad guy, with bad weapons and bad allies.

Problem is that Saddam wasn't the only person in Iraq. Nor was everyone else in Iraq part of Al-Qaida.

We have participated in wars where we apparently had the right motives, the moral high ground, and support of the majority of the world.

The "apparent motive" was to grant freedom to Iraq for most americans. Iraqi's that live on the otherside of the world probably had been told for all there lives that you can't trust americans. Most arabs feel this way, too. They probably think we are all greedy on top of being infidels.

The moral high ground we tried to establish was that Saddam tortured his own people, we were going to stop that. Well, that image was probably ruined with our own prison problems there.

And we never had broad support from any other country except maybe Britain.

So when we start having a tough time, the rest of the world aches to say "I told you so". Especially those countries that have been envious of us- they resent our power, and they like to see us stumble once and a while, especially since too many americans are arrogant because of our power.

Which brings us back to the original question. Why does everyone turn to the US to solve there problems, particularly with our military? We are powerful. We have an incredible army and an incredible country to back it. And since we are so prominent, we are easily blamed for all the worlds problems for people who like to oversimplify problems then place blame outside their control. Certainly, the US is outside of anyone's control as the only superpower still in existence.

We get involved too much, but I believe even if we didn't we would still be envied for our power and still disliked because we didn't help. I believe most americans would rather try to help make things better, even if we end up screwing things up once in a while. I would agree with that, adding that we should look a lot harder next time before we leap.

That's pretty good

cheese, the problem with the Vietnam war was the same problem we are having with Iraq, the news is not reporting from a neutral view, up until 1965 we where winning in Vietnam, how do I know I had 3 uncles who served in Vietnam, all with pride, 2 where US Army Green Beret, the third was a US Navy SEAL, they where all three brothers, and only the middle brother came out of Vietnam alive, he was even held as a POW for 6 months.

what am i getting at? is that before 1965 when the president of the United States sent in the regular Army, and the Marines we where winning, when the regular Army, and the Marines went in, the BIASED news followed, that is all i am going to say on Vietnam.

now Iraq, which I have been to 3 times, yes, while, there is quite a bit of resistance, which is bloated on the news, most of the people there want are help, those that are resisting us, no matter what way, just don't want there fellow Iraqis to share in the Freedoms that the majority of American's take fore granted. and I also believe that those American's that don't want us over there are selfish asshats that don't want to share what we have.

Well, I agree with that, StickDeath.

Yea... I noticed that as well... the only thing Iraq and Vietnam have in common is that there is a lot of media coverage... and we lost Vietnam due to it, hopefully we don't lose Iraq to it too

The easy solution is to not allow passports for American citizens to got to Iraq. No more media there.

Well thats a bit too much to just completely keep the media out of Iraq... but your right... it would keep them away

Yes. Executions all around for those who break it!







A little more reason not to.

Anyone who thought Vietnam was "winnable" needs to be hung upside down and beaten over the head with a history stick. Pro war tip: you cannot force ideology into someone's head with FORCE.

You can, but it is much more efficient and less time-consuming to brainwash them.

And by you can, I mean you can beat them senseless until they have a concussion and think that.

No, the only way to brainwash people into supporting violence is to create an enemy (or use an existing one) and say you're defending yourself by attacking them. And that only usually works when you didn't start it in the first place, and when the people you're trying to brainwash aren't in the country you're attacking. Simple force doesn't work, you'll always have that 2% who stand up against it and refuse, then mess up your plans and make others rebel.

Sorry sir.

You are wrong. Vietnam was winnable, The NVA, and VietCong were sustaining heavy losses in every ground engagement with us, with Operation Linebacker pounding their cities from above, and with The NVAF Being completley non-existant at that time, victory was in sight. A few more months and We would have walked away with victory.

All that Killed us over was the South Vietnam's Government. They completly (other word than the F-Bomb) over their own people, and cost us the war.

That's not true. We got our ASSES KICKED at the Tet Offensive. Even if we were to accept that ground troops could have moved in, then what? You bomb the shit out of the north, and you occupy it, and your troops are killed left and right by guerrillas and civilians, just as they are being killed in Iraq. Do you honestly think people in Vietnam would have sat back and taken U.S. imperialism there? After being occupied for the French and throwing them off?

What is "winnable" in this context? In Vietnam, there was nothing to win.